Going-going However, need to be very careful/prudent to announce new features. It’s quite possible it could produce a new wave of dreaming, not-motivated over-expectations etc. One-two “super-active” users = absolute enough to make announce effect negative. “So, EI8 still has not MY feature???” - and a new round of long but empty talks is started. So, posting of any info should be very careful and only with EITG permission.
you really have that little faith in the users guys?
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We users are the power that will drive or sink EITG (along with Brad of course). Not the programmers.
Programmers need to execute the will of EITG which should listen closely to what a huge majority of its users want.
Especially when it includes not only your new EI user but some of your best users \ ambassadors. Tesla, is another story. I believe its a wait and see on that application. Were talking animator here. Users who care about the future of EI have spoken loudly, recently. We want to see more copies of EI sold as much as Brad does.
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If EITG ignores the overwhelming demand and interest in certain features by its users. Then it simply
is slowly covering itself in dirt. This community, and CG talks community need to be heard. Tesla will not be the answer or replacement to animator for years to come, so we need to seriously be honest about who EI appeals to most, and how can we reinforce the program to be even stronger in THOSE areas. If character animation takes up a lot of time in the process, EI is lost. Architects and Broadcast design are key areas of strength now and in the future if EI plays its cards right. Multithread Camera, make it 64 bit and beef up the things Broadcast designers need and want. MoGraph is where the new users are FOR ANIMATOR. Not necessarily for Tesla, but maybe as well. I hope so.
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I love EI to death. I pray it listens carefully to us. Igors, I love you guys just please dont demean us or
our motives. Good will amongst all needs to be encouraged.
Oh, if it would be really sooo easy as you wrote ("EITG should do what users want") - it would be really a paradise (for users and developers as well). But, alas, it never happens in real life We can only repeat: there are hundreds of users’ opinions, they are changed in time. And almost each one is reasonable. The goal of new vers = to catch most important of them to implement. And it’s damn hard to solve and it has nothing in common with “fearures list” game. We are really happy that we are “just contractors” and this hard burden is on Matt and EITG. And the prob is not “limited EI resources” as it’s often said - for users’ over-appetite AutoDesk’s resources would be exhausted very soon as well
PS: Scott, we’ll not A more for your letters if they are not started with salute.
Hi Igors, Scott, Ian
The very interesting point, i think, is that EiAS is upgrading this year… am i right?
I´m sure all of us will be half happy and half dissapointed with the new features as always do… it´s the nature of the beast.
Keep the great work (plz, don´t forguet ch animation:D)
FelixCat
Hi Igors, Please explain what a salute is and I will gladly do it. I mean NO offense.
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is that what you mean?
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I guess you still think all this is just about 1 person and what 1 person wants and not a large amount of EI users.
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disappointing..
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why was my post deleted, theres no reason to do that. When the Igors claim that everyone wants
something different. And we find a LARGE number of users that agree and want X feature
Than thats no longer just one persons request, its hundreds of peoples requests. We can be ignored, thats
fine. But please dont tell me its just 1 person.
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have a nice day Igors
Above is the salutation the Igors are referring to. In an earlier thread to you, they stated, in their Country it is insulting if each communication is not started with a ‘hello’.
I deleted your earlier post, as I didn’t think insulting each other is post worthy.
Sorry Phil, I did not recall that earlier thread. I have said hey guys, or guys to them on numerous occasions
with no negative response. I NEVER INTENDED to insult them, hey guys, in ENGLISH is NOT insulting. Its a term of endearment. A sign that you are comfortable and casual with someone. Do they ever make an effort to understand
the ENGLISH language more? That thread was not insulting in english, If they said that to me before, I forgot it.
I feel we go out of our way to be polite to them, and we never seem to get that in return. Remember, what I wrote in MY mind was polite to them. I wish I had a better memory to know that that bothered them, but im human.
This is just amazing to me.... I enjoy a good debate on all things EI, civil and polite debate. Never meant to be mean or overly personal.
English is my first language, and to me you sound upset. I’m not sure that venting helps the community. I’m not understanding the Igors to be standing in opposition to your assertion that the users count, or to be demeaning us (users). They simply seem to be indicating that EITG can only address so many concerns at once. And that giving away the EITG strategy, weakens the impact of what they release.. like knowing half-a-year early what you’ll get for your birthday. They also seemed to indicate that they are only contractors, working for ‘the man’.
We all want to know what’s coming down the pike, and we all hope EITG is looking out for our needs. Let’s make sure we look out for each other as well. We are the EI community, let’s be friends.
Please, everybody calm down.
EIAS Animator + Camera have a huge list of things we want to see implemented.
EITG is running to feel the gap asap.
If someone really feels about a certain feature which need to be added, I think the correct way is contact EITG.
Igors, Patrick, Blair, Matt are the professional which implement those features.
and the advisory tries to help choose the most asked features and ideas to implement.
Hi Yon, I said, “Hey guys” please tell me how that, in English, is insulting or venting. I think everyone is being hyper sensitive here. And need to relax a little. As far as helping EI out and supporting the company I have gone way above and beyond, in my own time to evangelize this product. With respect Yon, my motives and intentions have all been devoted to EI and its success, as much or more than most anyone else. Not just posting on these chat boards either. Myself, Brian Pohl, and others have spent countless hours trying to find ways to make EI viable into the future. Its roadmap, if you will. (and were not on the payroll If you want to give me a call I can elaborate on all the things I do for EI in my own way and am willing to do to help guarantee its success LONGER term. Not just v8. I am not comfortable listing all of them here.
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So if anyone wants to come down on me, then they don’t know me very well. And certainly have not followed my career and passion that I have for EI. People are willing to buy a plug in to help EI here and there, I have talked about investing many many thousand of my own dollars to help along EI’s success. (long story)
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We have earned the right to question why a large block of users 1 request is being, frankly, dismissed.
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The long term viability of animator is an important thing to me and many others. Ignoring and talking down to this large block of people is not productive. Maybe EI needs a PR spokesman in these chatrooms, their programmers should not be put in a position to debate features. Tomas, you are right. It is EITG and Brad with the advisors that should determine ‘what’ is done. If they have kept up on the overwhelming responses on CG Talk and in this venue.
I am confident they will respond accordingly. The will of the people, in this election year (in the US) always matters.
