Hi guys just to let you know that after one month and something we have finished the video clip for a a spnish band called ¨ Deneuve¨you can youtube it.

AFX 3d camera was intensevely used along with paricular. Two shots done with EIAS and one shot was made with C4D.

Here is the link:
http://www.lafabricanaranja.es/VIDEOCLIPS.html

format 720p/PAL
duration 4:45

Thanks,
Edgard

Comments and critiques welcome .Dont worry you won hurt my feelings.
The camera movement was very precise but the final cut motion which i didnt do was too obvious almost breaking the mood of the video clip.

pretty nice.  I started getting dizzy with the number of mattes and layers you must of had to cut to make the video.
A lot of very nice moments throughout the video.

my only MINOR critique is that it stayed very similar throughout in technique and style.  It would have been nice to break up the monotony of similar moves with something ‘different’ in style or pacing placed maybe 2 or 3 times in the video.  Something complementary in general with the main motion but different enough to sort of be a breath of fresh air every 70-90 seconds. some look that would be roughly 15 - 25 seconds long, Like a song has lyrics but returns to the chorus 3 or 4 times during the song.

Overall very impressive piece of work.

good job!.

Scott

Thanks for the comments, yeah it is very repetitive, maybe some different camera angles will have work , some steadys, some dolly. It was time consuming in just cut the mattes at 3k or 2k resolution, we didnt have any intern the both of us were just pen tool all the way. That is why i was asking for a way to automatically create a plane with dimensions and all the textures map into EIAS or something that could help cause when you finished every little mask you want to spend very less time in adjusting settings.

The C4D shot could have done easily in EIAS the reason why is because i didnt have Placer Deposit instead i used Mograph Module. I didnt know if PD accepts bones so i could animate the flowers at a different rate , different position,scale and rotation. But anyways i learned not to use nothing but EIAS when it comes to 3D/Video Clips and to use Morph instead of Bones( but with bones you get to animate each petal as you want), specially when working with anything above 720p i dont recommend anything but EIAS,imop.

Is kind of difficult to do a video with no live action, chroma or video elements. This is my second video clip with a low budget(off course) hopefully people will look at some very nice moments as Scott did from the clip and hire us again with an ok budget.
I guess i am more used to 5 to 10 seconds bumpers or a 1 to 2 minutes trailer.

Thanks again Scott,
Edgard

I know what you mean, I do so much 5 -30 second animations and effects, longer form stuff can be daunting.
There is no way on a low budget project that I could do anywhere near 5 minutes worth of “demo Reel Worthy”
work throughout.
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I know you know this Edgard, but on YOUR demo reel you should obviously pick and choose the perfect and best moments
of the video.  Showing the whole thing on a reel is overkill bigtime.  You have some very nice moments to add to your
reel from this, which, imho, is what will lead to more work for you.  Remember, your only as good as the weakest thing on your reel. (in a lot of employers eyes) Also, your not alone, SuperNova does not use interns, (yet) so ALL the fun HD matte work and compositing is done by me, just like you.  Hard work builds character!
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I actually have found that some of my freelance clients think its very positive that I dont ever look at matte work, rotoscoping etc as “beneath me” They see my reel and some think thats all i do.  No No No....  So much of what pays the bills is far less exciting than the pieces that tend to make my reel.  I suspect im not alone on that.
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FUNNY STORY FOR ME today at my 3 day freelance gig in LA.  The VERY COOL client uses C4D and knows I use EI.
He still hires me at my full hourly rate, uses me in after effects and has me spend 5 hours of my day today animating
a basic shape with some interesting motion IN CINEMA 4D!!!  I said Ive never used it for a job, and the AD said, well
just ask questions, and learn some of the app while doing this animation!  I spent 5 hours doing what I could of done
in EI in 10 minutes.  BUT, I learned a whole lot about how to set keyframes, velocity, interface issues etc in the 5 hours
I worked on it.  I thanked them at the end of the day for them letting me LEARN some of C4D WHILE THEY PAYED ME!
Im nominating them for one of my best clients ever!  Ill see what they have me do tomorrow.......

Anyway, I thought you, Edgard, would find that funny.  Mr EI PAYED to learn C4D.

No way, getting paid to learn c4d while working in EIAS , now that is what i am talking about
Well the only nice feature is the mograph module combined with xpresso and thinking particles.Used creatively , what i am looking for is something like this http://www.vimeo.com/1659602 , that is the type of organic look i am searching for but that is done with 3d max. I donot know why the enthusiasm about C4D really at the end everyhting is Maya or 3dMax, or in your case EIAS which if they fix the texture alpha previews, and add some organic plug ins could be easily done in EIAS.

I donot know what do you think Scott?
THanks,
Edgard

I agree Edgard.  EI with some improvements to simcloth and a few more ‘organic’ ways to treat models or create
original imagey would be a great next step. (v9 if v8 is too late, which I am sure it is) I miss Onyx Tree Storm
sooooooo much!
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cinema did feel a lot like after effects to me, other than final render quality issues, I dont know which individual features
work well and which may fall short.  How is their clip mapping, deformations and reflection\transparency options?  Given
that I see 3d apps as Tools in a toolbox, id like to know when to reach for cinema over EI or even Maya. (Max will never be an option for me) Right now there is only ONE reason for me to get ‘decent’ at C4D, and thats for extra job opportunities for
me\SuperNova.  Knock on wood, but I am so busy these last 3 months with EI and After Effects work that I never need
to consider another app.  90% of this work lets me work at my Home Studio and with my software, so other 3d never factors into things much.  If I run into a longer dry spell of a few months with no new work, I would probably use that time to practice in Maya\Cinema.  It makes good business sense.
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I still praise EI for what I love about it.  And every agency and design firm that responds to my demo reel ends up seeing first hand what EI can do for mograph stuff and more.  So in a weird way EI slowly gets out there in my day to day work
routine.  I still plan on writing a V8 review for Creative Cow and possibly more stuff, I just dont feel the enthusiasm from
Ei.  They dont seem to appreciate Brian (imho) Pohl, much and are more stuck in an old way of thinking on marketing and PR.  Mograph is easily their best chance at market penetration, but they seem overly stuck on visualisation.  It baffles me, but most of the board does that kind of work from what I can tell, so what kind of decisions should one expect from EI as a company.  Camera improvements and refinements and lots of em.  Adding the types of things Motionagraphers need and want is handled a bit patchworky to me.  If mograph needs are not addressed in v8, im sure I will find fault in that when I review the app.  Its soooo close to being ready for prime time in mograph but alas, we are an afterthought.
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All that from a program I care about quite a lot.  We’ll see Edgard, pretty soon what v8 can do.  And Tesla.  Im sure adobe illustrator import will be handled in a robust and thourough way into EI and its plugs........  a guy can dream, right?

100 percent agree with you expet for one thing. I will use any other application if i have to do organic animation, waiting for SImCloth is a big headache. If more plug in developers could work with EIAS v8 and exParalumino plugins be implemented into the host than half the battle will be won. I only use C4D Mograph Module cause the animation is very intuitive and the previews are very fast even with the Function Curve editor it is way more capable of having absolute control over your animation. I think all the big names have a decent Function Curve Editor except for EIAS.

Once you make those curves explicit there is no way back to implicit.

They both should work together with implicit you have bezier curves in your main windows once you hit the explicit it dissapears giving you acces to FCE but where are those nice bezier curves in the main windows?

I think every 3d application should have precise texture previews displaying evry channel expet for Bumps, and EI should be capbable by this time to have multi materials. That is what i missed when i jump into EI.Other than those few things i love my EI,if the plug ins could work it will be amazing.

I hope this one message is not deleted.I have been an user since 2.8 when it was a few thousand so i think i deserve a bit of respect as i am not an expert but at least i have support EIAS all the way.

no one should delete your post Edgard.  You are dead on on this.  Free speech is still encouraged in the USA, although if a certain Obama gets elected we may all lose that right sooner than we think.
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Anyway, I thought I was the only one with curve issues.  The implicit to explicit back and forth comment is soooooo true and frustrating.  Im used to the FC editor so it does not bother me that much, im fine with it.  Better texture previews is obvious, and I would guess are coming soon.
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I am still a pretty happy EI user overall, and I can’t wait to get v8.  I hope its stable.